Cardhuntrian Festival: A Co-operative Tournament Discussion Thread

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This thread is to be used for any discussion related to the tournament. Feel free to look for teammates and ask questions here!

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i'd like to participate, and I'm looking for 2 teammates.
My rating is @ 1340, i play mostly leagues (and chase loot fairy)
PM if interested

 

Out of curiosity, are you allowing substitutes? Judging by previous tournaments, players can be fairy unreliable. Also, I'm not too sure about the method for splitting the brackets. There's no real point in winning the first best of three game. It might be easier to split the brackets based on availability (time-wise).

Anyway, looks fun, best of luck with managing it.

 

Good to see another Tournament up!
Unfortunately I have been getting up to a lot of work lately so I (probably - maybe if I get my stuff sorted out) wont be joining.
In the case that I do join, I wanted to know if there are any restrictions this time?
I can see that there is a one legendary limit (which I will try not to fail this time around... again sorry) but are there any other minor restrictions like max amount of teams?
Edit: Found out about max amount of teams - 8.

 

I'm on the fence about allowing substitutes. Sure, it's just a matter of adding another entry or two for a team, but then I have to think about how prize distribution will work out. If a team wins the tournament, but half of the games were played with a substitute, how do I award the prizes? Does everyone get the same rewards? Do I reduce the rewards for the team member that was absent?

I realize that life happens, but I don't think it's particularly fair for people to sign up as a team and play one or two matches with that team. But that's just my view on the situation. If there's an overwhelming desire for substitutes, I have no problems allowing for them.

 

Will any videos be made available of the matches? I ask not only because I think people would like to see them, but also because I think writing out the story of the battles in the tournament might be a bit of an easier project for me to start out with in my hope to eventually be able to give players lore for their parties. I also would really like to contribute to this somehow, and considering I'm a complete newb at the game ATM (Hovering around 1100-1200 ELO), writing out the fights in an interesting story form is the only way I can think of doing so.
(And no, I wouldn't be expecting any reward for this, just in case anyone was going to ask. Figured I'd mention it since everyone else participating seems to be getting rewards so people might think that's what I'd be looking for too.)

I figure if CT5 is participating, he'll have videos available of his matches, but what about otherwise?

EDIT: Okay, so raining has no recording software. perhaps someone could volunteer? IDK if I'm being to forward, his just seems like it would be a great resource for people and everything. I would do I myself, bu I've barely been able to upload a stream to twitch, let alone do a video of a tournament.

 

A similar tournament happened in the past, and it wasn't smooth at all.

 

Are the bracket matches also best-of-3 series? Co-op matches are generally a lot longer than 1-vs-1 matches, ~30 min / match is quite usual. With best-of-3 series ~90+ mins is too much in my opinion, because it must be shared simultaneously with seven (7) other people (two teams + referee).

As seen in the previous tournament, that forced 1 legendary / character, it really favours warriors. It also adds an additional strain for the referee. Personally, I don't like the item limit rule.

Previous discussion about the rule can be read here: http://forums.cardhunter.com/thread...tria-discussion-faq-grouping.7897/#post-96629

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Are referees able to participate in the tournament too?

I also agree with Killer, that brackets should be split based on team availability.

 

While I'm a complete newb, I feel like it's clear the item- limit rule is to stop people with huge collections or lots of money to spend on legendaries from having a large advantage, simply because they can, for example, build a huge burst wizard that someone newer to the game can't. (A better player then me could probably think of a better example then me, sorry. If I'm wrong feel free to critisize me). IK that more legendaries on a character doesn't equal better (I've seen CT5's peasant wizards), however IK most top tier builds include several of them.

If it DOES favor warriors, as you said however it obviously would need to be changed. I just think there's a good reason for it being there that wasn't pointed out.

Or maybe I'm more of a newb then I thought and am way out of touch, in which case I'll just stay out of balance discussions entirely in the future. I just felt like this was a point worth bringing up.

 

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to participate in that tournament. I did a bit of snooping in various tournament threads and I concluded that anything that isn't a 1v1 tournament isn't going to be "smooth". However, I see 1v1 tournaments as ranked matches with an extra prize at the end. I believe tournaments should be distinct from the normal day-to-day games that everyone plays.

I went back and forth in my head about the legendary rule. I know better rarity=/=better items, but I do recognize that higher rarity often leads to a more consistent deck. My question to the general public about the legendary rule is this: would an unrestricted format cause the tournament to be more welcoming to newer players? There's no doubt that an unrestricted legendary format would level the playing field for wizards, but my fear is that newer players, who may not have a vast item collection, will be put off by an unrestricted format.

Would a more relaxed limit for wizards only make wizards more competitive?
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Concerning the brackets, I do agree that dividing teams based on availability. I'll make that change in the signup thread.
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My thoughts on the best-of-3 series was to reduce how much luck factors in to the tournament while increasing the skill factor. However, the potential amount of time that people would need to dedicate is something that shouldn't be ignored. I think I'll need a day or so to think about it, but if everyone's alright with just one game matches, I'll make that change.
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I have no problems with referees playing in the tournament. A different referee would have to be present for those games.

 

Actually the Swiss-Style Co-Op Tournament was pretty smooth(Or at least not as rough as Champions of Cardhuntria).

 

Rainingrecon used a double negative, implying that a 1v1 would be smooth .

 

Well, speaking as a newer player, while a non- restricted item format would certainly put me off, I'm also new, which means I don't think I'm near experienced enough to participate anyway. Are newer players who are skilled enough with the game that they are cofident enough to tackle a tournament and still have a chance at it that common?

I mean, I guess they could also do it for the fun factor, but it just feels like they aren't the ones a tournament master should worry about. Because, and I may be wrong, we generally aren't skilled enough to have had a good chance at winning anyway. Feel free to yell at me though if you are a newer player and don't think that, though! It's highly probable my own faliures as a newer player are biasing my views towards their skills more then I think.

IF I'm half right about this, that is, Newer Player's aren't skilled enough or item profficient enough to do a full scale tourny but would still like to do one, perhaps holding a smaller tourny for those players? That's probably asking too much, but I figured I'd throw the idea out there in case it sprouted into anything.

BTW, I personally would prefer the legendary rule simply to stop burst wizards from dominating, and make the tourny more interesting to watch. Just saying that I'm trying to see the other side of the fence too.

 

Well, I think 1v1 tournaments involve significantly less work to organize. For each match only 3 people would have to agree upon a time as opposed to 7 people in a 3v3. =P

I've looked over Jade's tournament thread, as well as the feedback, and I think the biggest factor to its success was how every game in each round was played at the same time. Quite frankly, I'm not comfortable running a tournament like that. If there are other details you think would improve this tournament, I'm willing to listen.

While a separate division for newer players would be more enticing (especially concerning the legendary rule), how would you define "new player" status? Farb's meta site provides data on each player, but how many multiplayer games does it take before you aren't "new" to Card Hunter?

 

I'm not sure, TBH. That's something I hadn't thought as far. I just kind of figured the separate tourney idea as a throw- away to my overall point, but if you think it has some merit I'll give some thought to it. I just know that as a new player, I don't see much point in entering this tourney, because I'd probably still get spit out even if my opponents were using peasant decks and I wasn't. Thus I didn't see much point in catering to us in the actual tourney.

 

I'm up for grabs. The hottest part of the town. Literally. 3 Searing Pains, 2 Blue Destructions, 3 VPs, Iljin, 3 Darkblood Glaives, I have all the meta stuff.

but if you make me use it I'll snap your neck. With a teaspoon. On... a... dining table... full of chesspieces... and dolls... yeah. That's right!

 

How is it even possible to tell if someone is using 2 Luke's Iron Hand instead 1? Games finish well before the deck has been worked through.

 

Ummm, you know no one has agreed on whether or not to take away the one legendary per character rule right? Unless your only planning on using one set of one of those legendaries :-P. (See guys, this is a good argument for why to have the legendary ban. It makes players look for something other then "all the meta stuff" :-P).

I honestly wasn't sure if you were joking or not, so I decided to go with joking about it and critisizing it at the same time.. ;P

 

It was supposed to be a joke. I dislike anything meta related.

Also, Xander can't be a reality ;__;

 

Oh yeah, I forgot you were the leader of the Anti- Meta Party of the Socialist Cardhuntrian State. I should really learn that or else I'll get backhanded by a 3 meelee tounge wizard team led by you one day .