So a particular citizen of Cardhuntria (hereafter known as [redacted] since I believe in the presumption of innocence; besides, the devs can read the real chat logs if they want) talked openly about his strategy which involves taking extra time on every turn for no reason other than to frustrate his opponent. In my opinion this is the textbook definition of stalling but I was surprised to see a lot of people defending [redacted]'s actions. So, can we figure out if this is stalling or not? Here's the log (edited to remove unrelated messages and highlight important passages): [redacted] says: If I know taking time between moves will frustrate my opponent, why would I not do that? InevitableRed says: overall ******baggery LieutenantCommanderData says: doing it purposely to annoy your opponent is really douchy [redacted] says: It's strategy. LieutenantCommanderData says: if i knew my opponent was doing that on purpose i would report them for stalling. thats not cool [redacted] says: I do it all the time. [redacted] says: I find it better to keep my opponent guessing. LieutenantCommanderData says: idk i think you should get banned then lol [redacted] says: Sometimes I play super quick. Sometimes verty slow. LieutenantCommanderData says: hard to prove though [redacted] says: As long as I stay within the time out range, it's perfectly legal. LieutenantCommanderData says: other than world chat logs [redacted] says: But I firmly believe the mental part of this game is important as well. InevitableRed says: in what situation do you report someone for stalling? LieutenantCommanderData says: agreed, but youre basically admitting to stalling which is reportable [redacted] says: That's not stalling. aceinthehole says: of cause but if you can think quick then why should you be punished when your oppenent takes all there time to move [redacted] says: Each player has their own times. [redacted] says: timer. LieutenantCommanderData says: "purposely taking longer for no reason other than to annoy your opponent" is basically the exact definition of stalling LieutenantCommanderData says: stalling is reportable because the in-game timer cannot police stalling adequately LieutenantCommanderData says: just because you end the game with 1+ seconds remaining does not mean you didnt stall [redacted] says: The definition says 'boring' not 'annoying'. LieutenantCommanderData says: if that were true then stalling wouldnt be reportable [redacted] says: InevitableRed says: In what situation would stalling be reportable in your opinion [redacted]? [redacted] says: If people time out without informing thier opponent as to why that would need to happen. [redacted] says: Or disconnect without explanation. [redacted] says: Stalling the result of the game. InevitableRed says: I count that as throwing the match [redacted] says: Yeah, that's true. [redacted] says: I would use that as well. [redacted] says: Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever reported someone for stalling. Jimmyatemycat says: any time you deliberately dont take your turn your stalling Jimmyatemycat says: the times are there for people who multitask so they cant play this game at work at **** Jimmyatemycat says: not to ruin peoples day making this game take 10 times longer than it needs to InevitableRed says: i think if you take a minute or a minute and a half to take your turn would be acceptable, but really, any longer and you're just being a prick [redacted] says: Waiting because I know it will frustrate my opponent, that's strategy. Jimmyatemycat says: well if you think stallings a strategy [redacted] says: Why should I be forced to play at the rate my opponent wants me to play? Jimmyatemycat says: thats your call aceinthehole says: to take your full turn time on showroom showdown at the start is not acceptable as all you can do is ove InevitableRed says: waiting 1.5 would be strategy, 2.49 is just being a total prick Jimmyatemycat says: but i think thats a pretty sad way to try to win Jimmyatemycat says: which is why its a reportable offence InevitableRed says: and reportable in my opinion [redacted] says: I'm not trying to win with that one move. Jimmyatemycat says: your trying to win by stalling [redacted] says: No. Baldore says: stalling is reportable... thinking about your next move is not InevitableRed says: it kind of sounds like it Jimmyatemycat says: you stall so that your opponents dont want to play with you anymore [redacted] says: I'm trying to win by thinking about my next move, and to frustrate my opponent. [redacted] says: I don't want them to quit. Jimmyatemycat says: no Jimmyatemycat says: you already thought about your next move Baldore says: yeah, no reason to rush into a bad decision [redacted] says: I want them to play worse because they are frustrated. Jimmyatemycat says: your stalling to make the game less enjoyable for your opponent [redacted] says: How do you know that I have thought out my move.? Jimmyatemycat says: you said InevitableRed says: if stalling in itsself is reportable, and you are using stalling to help you win. you are in essence breaking the rules of the game Jimmyatemycat says: you said you do it just to make the game less fun Baldore says: playing fast can reveal a lot about your hand Jimmyatemycat says: for your opponenets Jimmyatemycat says: which is why Jimmyatemycat says: its reportable Baldore says: even if you don't have an option it's silly to pass right away Baldore says: unless you're bluffing your opponent into thinking you have nothing to do [redacted] says: Perhaps I get up from the computer every time my timer starts, walk around the room to think about my move, and then come back, review the move, and then make a final decision, and then move? Baldore says: so 'using time' is part of the game InevitableRed says: no one does that Jimmyatemycat says: thats not what you said u do a second ago Abbus says: stalling is only when you have no alternatives, and STILL keep doing nothing [redacted] says: Maybe I don't do any of that. Baldore says: Abbus is correct InevitableRed says: I don't want to be that guy, but I have to disagree with you on this one [redacted] Baldore says: a stall is OBVIOUS [redacted] says: And I would agree with Abbus on that. Abbus says: playing slowly is not stalling, unfurtunately InevitableRed says: but if I don't know what is in your hand, how do i know if you have a strategy, or are just screwing around Abbus says: if I have CARDS, I can think. InevitableRed says: I don't, so unfortunately I will report anyone who tries that cycosurgeon says: patience is a virtue Abbus says: if I only have a revealed card, maybe useless, I MUST PASS LieutenantCommanderData says: sure, playing slowly isnt necessarily stalling, unless, you know, you openly admit that you are stalling in world chat lol [redacted] says: I don't understand why my opponent gets to dictate how long my move can take. InevitableRed says: if you take a little extra time to strategize, that is okay InevitableRed says: but 2.49 minutes every round, you are getting reported LieutenantCommanderData says: we are saying take as long as you want if you are using the time to actually think LieutenantCommanderData says: if you are just spending extra time to frustrate your opponent that is reportable [redacted] says: And that's what I always do.