Aloyzo's Arsenal Official SUBMISSION Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Card Hunter General Chat' started by Flaxative, Nov 19, 2015.

  1. Robauke

    Robauke Guild Leader

    The amount of submissions that are clearly beyond the boundaries of validity is worrying, i count 14-16 depending on your severity.
    One more subtle thing is, i dont think "moves only" + trait can pass as an arcane item. At least Prestidigitation got the "magic arcane" label...
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  2. ParodyKnaveBob

    ParodyKnaveBob Thaumaturge

    Maybe I should've changed my entry to a real one after all. Sooo many completely unwinnable entries (just like Rob said) might've meant I had a real chance, lol. Still, obviously, my entry merely intended to get a laugh and a head-shake out of Flak, lol...
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  3. tolkien

    tolkien Thaumaturge

    At @Robauke is your submission beyond the boundary of validity? Are we using the cards.csv as that boundary or the item design guide?
    I hear what you're saying, alot of people perhaps unaware of the design guide.
  4. Sir Veza

    Sir Veza Farming Deity

    Thanks for taking up my slack on this one. :cool:
    I don't think my entry will win, but I believe it meets the criteria. I couldn't find a deck list for the Aloyzo CoC character, but I hope it could serve as an improvement. If it doesn't, I really hope it isn't picked.
    [confession]I've never made it past level 9, and haven't even attempted CoC in months. On the whole, it's proven more reward/time efficient for me to farm the campaign than to run CoC.[/confession]
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  5. Robauke

    Robauke Guild Leader

    it is a new card for the slot but compatible. its the ride on the razor while others went overboard. You get a feel for whats legit when you mind the existing item pool. But i recall there was a design guide spelling out basic considerations - featured more prominently, it could do good containing too fantastic entries.
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  6. Wow.... Acid Jet on an Arcane Item finally! I had given up hope on that ever happening since Acid Jet is so OP when compared to Ember Burst and Volcano!
  7. Sir Veza

    Sir Veza Farming Deity

    It's definitely killer on the right maps.
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  8. mckeen

    mckeen Hydra

    And, I the winner has already been submitted (my prediction only).... I reckon Kashad's workout ethic will get chosen. Ticks all the boxes in a cool way
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  9. Founder

    Founder Hydra

    It's certainly got a strong theme and I chuckled when I saw it. That said, the submission guidelines say that: "The best submission will be one that takes a racial skill card that doesn't see much play and puts it on an interesting, useful, and balanced item." Wimpy doesn't feature on any Dwarven Skills and Toughness and (to a lesser extent) Muscle Through are both commonly used.

    We'll see. I really want better tokenless elf skills, so that's where I've put my eggs.
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  10. hello world

    hello world Hydra

    My first idea was something like, resolution of acceptance
    Elf Skill
    level 19 or 22 with Elvish scamper,either a second elvish scamper(lvl.22) or a scouting run(lvl.19) and a team walk
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  11. ParodyKnaveBob

    ParodyKnaveBob Thaumaturge

    Quick thoughts on entries so far:
    @Gingrich Yurr's BTx2+ABT - wonderful
    @Kashad's Wimpy+Muscle Through+Toughness - I agree with @Founder above
    @Maniafig's Retreat x2+Escaping Run - those cards see plenty of play (e.g. Make Haste and Hawkwind's Moccasins were quite popular whenever I played)
    @Founder's Obvious Maneuver+Scouting Run+Elvish Insight - despite your words above, these are all popular cards last I checked
    @j3st3ri's Fleet x2+Wild Run - I'm biased in that I already love and use Fleet, but having Fleet x2 for (minortoken) would probably get it played more, yeah, whether or not Aloyzo considers the item granting Free Move 8 for a discard to be OP $E^ b
    @3beaner's Slippery+Escaping Run+Nightling - great .. might be called OP, but would definitely see a nice card (Slippery) get more use
    @WexMajor's War Cry+Battle Rage+Blind Rage - fun and thematic, but this set of cards for an Epic (minortoken) screams OP (the CM preview explicitly said dwarves had too much Trait awesomeness already)

    I'd like to see something with Uncanny Dodge or Inspirational Thinking. I.T. is an awesome card but barely decently itemized (with only three items, never even revisited in expansions), and UD is already niche (something weird about it, lol,) but of course only on one Legendary (majortoken) item, causing people to hardly even experiment with it due to them rarely winning it and being wary to buy.

    I suppose after voicing that out as such, I.T. would be the better card to try to get through, although elves have had it rough since the last rebalance+expansion (despite elf wizards in particular seeing more play last I checked, yay). Not sure what cards would pair well with each, though, without pairing too well for Aloyzo of course.

    P.S. @hello world - I'm probably too biased to judge Elvish Scamper's usage - I've used it to lovely/horrific effect (lol) and I've seen others do the same ... maybe it's not so much E.S. seeing little use as it is people not playing elves as much now?

    And that reminds me, j3st3ri and 3beaner made me think, an Elf Skill with Smashing Spin and Fleet and something might be neat. Double Fleet would make it Epic (minortoken). I'd hate to enter this as "competition" to j3st3ri, but depending how the next couple weeks go, I might. Hm.
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  12. Founder

    Founder Hydra

    @ParodyKnaveBob - I had a discussion with some people in chat about the elvish skills, and I think it was agreed that although Elvish Insight is indeed popular (a) it's still much less commonly used than some of the common cards you see from the other races (Toughness and Vanguard come to mind); (b) it's not available at tokenless level (and you can get, at best, one Scouting Run at tokenless so this element of the elf skills is basically unworkable at tokenless); and (c) tokenless elf skills are seriously wanting compared to the other races.

    As for Uncanny Dodge - I see it as a 'one off' AI card like Jim's Magic Missile and Scorching Rays, which shouldn't really be seen to be a true elf skill. It's also very difficult to itemise without blowing it off the end of the scale (You can basically do U.D. plus Skip/Dodge plus Skip/Dodge, none of which is terribly exciting - putting Jump Back on it takes it to 22+ - or put a drawback in there, like Trip, which could be entertaining. U.D., Dodge, Trip comes in at a minor token, and U.D, Jump Back, Trip is a major).

    Inspirational Thinking suffers from a similar problem in that it's hard to itemise without either doing something that's already been done or making it too high a level. You could probably get away with I.T. plus Forward Thinking and a drawback or paper card (Obvious Maneuver would go nicely) for something thematic but different to what we already have.
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  13. Kashad

    Kashad Goblin Champion

    @Founder @ParodyKnaveBob
    Cheers for the feedback, I actually had a look through all of the current dwarf skills and unless my eyes and memory tricked me pretty much every card apart from "Loner" was more or less equally represented. This was in fact my second submission - the first was "Resolute Stoicism" with Immovable/Toughened Hide Strips/Shrug it off.
    I also must have overlooked the instruction/suggestion to add "Resolution of". Not sure if I want to change that though, especially since most item names consist of no more than three words. "Resolution of Improved Work Ethic" just sounds a bit off to me.
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  14. WexMajor

    WexMajor Thaumaturge

    Well, I could substitute the war cry for a toughness... It would be a level 20.

    But I really, really like my item!
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  15. ParodyKnaveBob

    ParodyKnaveBob Thaumaturge

    @Founder: I appreciate anyone's insights, but I'm even more grateful for yours. Double winners like you and Pawndawan hold quite the weight, y'know, heheh.

    Yeah, on the high-risk-high-reward challenge, I went with U.D. + Trip + ..Slippery? ..Jump Back? I think J.B. because double Trait is still killer despite Trip being suicide. One-off AI joke sounds reasonable except 1. Battle Rage got two items (out of sixteen!) that expansion, and Delegate came back for Aloyzo and Castle Mitternacht; on that note, I'd love to see Scorching Rays and Friendly Fire on other (more useful) items because they're interesting; I expect DAttF and NEB are limited to not get OP, but whatever. ~~ Aloyzo was pretty quiet after that contest except to say Traits offset the power balance, which could have applied to my entry, but then there's the winning tokenless entry with a Trait. ~shrug~ Who knows.

    I.T. - yeah, early in the AA contests, I wanted the three Thinking cards to be funny (and useful), but the level 27-ish was overkill. I keep coming back to it in my mind, but this month really invites trying it. (I.T., Lateral Thinking, Fumble/Trip - Uncoordinated Scholar - lol - doesn't nod to resolutions, though - eh, Uncoordinated Thinker is more obvious, but eh) - btw, I agree O.M. holds an ironically funny theme on an overthinker, but since I hate O.M., I'd rather not have another item with it that I'd be wary to use, heheh. $E^ b

    Fleet x2 + Smashing Spin
    Resolved to Revolve ~shrug~ $F^ J

    @WexMajor: Two awesome Traits and a Cantrip opponent-hand discarder ... vs. two awesome Traits and an Immunity Armor that also draws yet another card ... I'd definitely call your current item less OP than the substitute despite the substitute requiring a (majortoken). Like I said, your current item is fun and thematic -- just really, really OP. $E^ }
  16. WexMajor

    WexMajor Thaumaturge

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  17. Founder

    Founder Hydra

    I appreciate the kind words, but I have no more idea what I'm doing than anyone else - I'm just a bit luckier to date :p
  18. Pawndawan

    Pawndawan Champion of Cardhuntria

  19. ParodyKnaveBob

    ParodyKnaveBob Thaumaturge

    That's a really interesting change, Wex. ~nod, nod~ Still all good cards, but one good card cancels the other good cards -- and even then, it can mitigate the handicap part that sometimes is a sudden problem otherwise. And, the Ferocity name from CH is nice. $E^ b

    Pawn, you're terrible. I don't want to like Resolution of Recycling, but I really really like it. Lol.
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  20. Pawndawan

    Pawndawan Champion of Cardhuntria

    Well, anyone is free to use Resolution of Recycling as their submission if they deem it worthy. :)

    I totally forgot Make Haste, but I'm still sticking with my submission Fear of Resolutions. I'd like to see Retreat played more without Delegation.

    Echoing Founder's words, I'd like to point out that there have been more lucky double winners ;)
    Since Aloyzo has already crafted two Human skills (Infected & Make Haste) and one Dwarf skill (Reinforced Doorf), I propose the following Equilibrium Challenge for AA #21:
    • Design an uncommon Elf skill item
    • Item level must be 14 or lower
    • Use only cards, that haven't been printed on current AA winning items
    Current average AA item level is 15.2 and rarity distribution is below:

    I start:

    Resolution of Eluding
    Elf Skill (lvl 8 Uncommon, tokenless)
    Elvish Scamper, 2x Skip
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