Talents broken after gaining first square-talent-point

Discussion in 'Bugs' started by Shoat, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. Shoat

    Shoat Kobold

    So, I just reached level 15 for the first time and a very destructive bug occured:

    After now having received the first square-talent-point, a bug occured in which one of my (previously 8) circle-talent-points vanished completely on all three characters, as well as the square being used on the skill that previously used that 8th circle (Elf skill slot on two of my characters and Arcane slot on the third), wasting it completely.

    This is not a visual bug, it seems to actually affect what I can and cannot equip.

    Unequipping that item causes the square to come free, but my 8th circle is still gone. Attempting to equip any item that requires a square fails, as it is already used up by this. Changing the order (freeing up the square, equipping an item that uses a square and then equipping my Elf skill again) allows the usage of the square talent, but still doesn't give me my missing circle.

    Leaving to a different equip-screen (different shops, keep, treasure shop) did nothing.
    Entering and leaving a battle did nothing. Entering and completing a battle did nothing.
    Restarting the game did nothing.
    Unequipping everything and re-equipping it again did nothing.
    I'll report back upon my next level-up to report whether or not that fixed anything.

    It appears as though my 8th circle-talent-point and my 1st square-talent-point have merged, as it can be used to fulfill both square and circle talent-requirements on items, but I cannot use both simultaneously.

    Seeing how both squares and circles work perfectly fine with no such issue in PvP, this has to be a bug.


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  2. Farbs

    Farbs Blue Manchu Staff Member

    Ah. I see what's going on here. Thanks for reporting it.

    If you check out the Talents table you'll see that at level 15 you lose a clear circle and gain a square bronze. Higher value talents can fulfill lower talent requirements, which explains the WTF part of your picture.

    We may need to explain this to players as they hit level 15. I'll log a task for one of the designery folk to think about it.
     
  3. Wozarg

    Wozarg Thaumaturge

    This is working as intended as far as i know. You don't just get more at some point they start getting converted to higher "Value" talents.
     
  4. Assussanni

    Assussanni Ogre

    I believe that at 15th level one of your circular clear talents is upgraded into a bronze square talent. Therefore, at level 14 you should have 8 circular talents and 0 square talents and at level 15 you should have 7 circular talents and 1 square talent. It looks like this is exactly what you have, but given your report it also looks like this needs explaining better when it happens!
     
  5. Sir Knight

    Sir Knight Sir-ulean Dragon

    Hence I suggested a little Gary tutorial:
    And don't forget matters at level 19: after a whole string of "one of your clear talents changes into a bronze talent" levels, the change at 19 finds yet another way to confuse.
     
  6. Pengw1n

    Pengw1n Moderately Informed Staff Member

    Yeah, this needs to be sorted - it't not very intuitive gaining bronze talents as is.
     
  7. skip_intro

    skip_intro Ogre

    What also threw me was that there's a 'bling' animation on level up that highlights the level changing, your hp changing and also down in the corner where your new talents have appeared up until now.

    However, after the 'bling' disappeared, no new talent was sitting there, where I expected it to be. It took me a good couple of minutes to see that one of the clear circle talents was now a bronze square.
     

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