[Feedback] GM dynamic rating

Discussion in 'Feedback and Suggestions' started by Questor, Jun 4, 2014.

  1. Questor

    Questor Ogre

    It really can´t be that a everyone above a rank of ~1150 has to play against Cardotron and players with very low have to face Amy or Melvin instead of Gary.

    The idea to let the GMs have a dynamic rating was a nice idea but it fails in the real game.
    So please give them certain minimum and maximum ratings so people don´t feel cheated.
     
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  2. Lord Feleran

    Lord Feleran Guild Leader

    These ratings should go back to where they should be after the hords of new players stop appearing.
     
  3. Questor

    Questor Ogre

    I was sure this would come up and it is not true.
    The second best GM is Mom and it is always around a rank of 1000 and Cardotron is mostly around 1300. So players from 1150 upwards get matched against Cardotron.
    You are a experienced player, so tell me if it is fair or wise to match everyone from that rating up to the top of around 1850 against such a horrible deck as Cardotron?
    And there is the fact which is beyond your point of observation that Amy, Gary and Melvin are on the lower end of the ranking and it is very random which one is the lowest or highest of the three, since they are always very close together. And yes, also in times when there are no huge amounts of new players. The influx of new players only shows the problem a lot clearer.
    I know you haven´t played against those deck for months but they are quite tough. Melvin and Amy are the last two decks of Cardstock II and for someone new to the game they are really hard, not as impossible as someone with a rating of 1200 facing Cardotron but still unfair.
     
  4. Kalin

    Kalin Begat G'zok

    The main difference between AIs and players is that the AIs play far more games than players do, so in theory their ELO should be much more accurate than any player's. Could this be proof that the ELO formula is failing to do its job? (And just for the record, I faced Cardotron at 1100 a couple months ago.)
     
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  5. Sir Veza

    Sir Veza Farming Deity

    Great point. AIs should be a prime test-bed for ELO. It's possible to drive their ratings up or down by a concerted effort of beating and tanking, but that shouldn't happen in normal play.
     
  6. Lord Feleran

    Lord Feleran Guild Leader

    Why are you saying that Elo formula is failing to do its job? Cardotron is at 1100-1200 where he should, that's correct. The same goes for other AIs.
    Gary should be the only exception since new players are forced to play against him and he can gain rating by beating them.
    Amy, Gary and Melvin are so close to each other because they are of same strength. Yes, Gary should have the worse cards but if you have the best gear you can get from common/uncommon shops and can think the least bit you are able to win all 3 of them 100% of the time.
    Very new players can't so it's quite a gamble which of these 3 is on top.
     
  7. Questor

    Questor Ogre

    I just checked your current rating Feleran, you are at 1703, so you are usually faced with opponents with a rating of 1400 upwards. Of course you don´t have that many issues with Cardotron if you even have GM switched on. But even with a rating of 1400 upwards Cardotron is beyond tough. For players lower than that it is just frustrating.
    And the only ones close in strength are Amy and Melvin. Garys deck is a lot worse and Moms is better and if you face Melvin or Amy with a rating of 800 it is also not very entertaining.
    What would point of having 4 GM in the range of 800-1000?
    So unless a Dev says that the goal is to face players with a ubeatable GM like Cardotron and having overpowered ones in the lower ranks i stand by my opinion that something is wrong and should be adjusted.

    And if you have the best common and uncommon gear and can think the least bit you are already beyond a rating of 1000, facing Mom and heading straight to the realm of Cardotron which should not be at a rating of 1100-1200.
     
  8. Squidy

    Squidy Hydra

    Something I don't get. Why not turning off the bot PvP matches if the bots are annoying? Or why not going back to the SP campaign if someone want easy fights against the bots?
     
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  9. Questor

    Questor Ogre

    Fights against the GM should be challenging but not impossible.
    And i am pretty sure it was not intended that the highest GM covers most of the playerbase.
    I would really like to hear the opinion of some Devs about that and not replies of high ranking players who don´t have issues with this problem but would benefit from the fact that people with low rating who switched off the the GM and get matched against players who are ranked hundreds of points above them.
     
  10. Lord Feleran

    Lord Feleran Guild Leader

    Noo, we do not benefit from playing lower ranked players, no-no-no! I'd play the highest rated player every game :)
    And a small brain buff for AIs would do ofc :p
     
  11. Sir Veza

    Sir Veza Farming Deity

    My primary concern is new players going for their early wins. At this point they may not understand what "GM Opponents" are, and should really be playing Gary instead of Mom.
     

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