Card Hunter Club feedback

So, now we have the Card Hunter Club. We've got feedback going in that announcement thread, but I figured having a named thread over here couldn't hurt.

My thoughts:

Alright, now we have a "subscription service." What's the impact? On a typical map, where you get two items in your treasure chest, the Club grants you a third. This is reminiscent of the Treasure Hunt pattern: you have two normal adventures at each level, plus a unique third one that costs money. Only by paying money can you get the extra loot per day of the third one.

The Club, though, requires less "work" than playing an entire extra adventure: it's always there. And, importantly, your extra Club loot is guaranteed to be as rare as the best-rarity item you get in regular loot. That's much better than a Treasure Hunt.

And, if Zalminen doesn't mind, I'll just repost this:

For me, a real kicker is that the "Triumphant Noise!" for loot above Common rarity is very likely to play. So you're required to sit through 150% of the total loot animation time (remember: three items instead of the two before this update), then hear a "Triumphant Noise!", and then still be unable to collect the item.

By all the feedback so far, I think we're arguing for toning down the "rubbing it in your face after every fight" factor. If it just sat there, unassuming, for non-members then it might be fine. No being forced to wait through 150% of the animation time; no sound effect; maybe even no card suite popup display. And all of these pretty things would be unlocked as soon as you buy the key, so Club members would enjoy the experience.

Different but related thought:

I'd argue that the "guaranteed rarity" thing is more of an edge than necessary. I'm sure it will engender complaints about "paying for an advantage." And hey, if that were thrown out, then the persistent "Triumphant Noise!" would play less often and it would be less of a tease (without need for changing more complex code, as the other suggestions would demand).

 

My two main peeves is the current price ( all content of beta subject to change) and the rubbing it in your face. While it is optional since the game it self is free its a pretty big bonus right now that will be massively impactful for the launch of the game pushing people with "subscription" far ahead after just 3 pvp chests and a few adventures. Also as stated by sir knight the bonus of getting the same value or higher is very big just imagine if you find the first legendary on the server if you where a member of the club you now found the two first legendary items that is a massive deal.

My personal way of making this better in my opinion would be this. Firstly cut the price by about 50% 10$ is a decent cut of money every month of some people 5$ is more reasonable and thereby making it less of a exclusive "rich boy" club and more of a paid membership deal. Secondly i would make the reward always uncommon or better but not reliant on the best thing you got(are guaranteed). So if you have bad luck and get lots of commons your loot curve will spike in quality and it would still be able to roll better rarity just not default to it based on your other loot and also no double legendary silliness. That would make it more fairly priced for more people hence getting more sales while at the same time making the rewards much more fair. People will cry either way but most reasonable people will not care about a smoother loot curves with slightly more items as much as they will about big rarity spikes.

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If i keep this up i can join the screeds soon!

Missed that part pengw1n then I'm actually much more fine with the loot model if they remove this working for epics from premium adventures.

 

Wait. Hmm.

Okay, so with the current setup, it IS possible to draw a lower-rarity "Club item" than your regular items? If you play a normal adventure and are lucky enough to win two Legendary items, your "Club item" could still be a Common? Then the language there could use improvement.

So as it is now, the "Club bonus" means you get "one more guaranteed Rare item" (or whatever) out of every Treasure Hunt, Quest, and special "multiplayer win chest."

I'm thinking about this, and something seems out-of-balance. I would still argue that removing the minimum rarity entirely would be better.

 

I really feel uncommon+ only would be so much better and make it feel worthwhile but also fair.

 

I'm curious how this plays out.

Most f2p models I've experienced don't give any weight to the "work" it takes for non-subscribers. Any argument around "fairness", "time invested", or "work" dealing with subscription pretty much flies out the window (if it was ever really considered) by release. Subscribers always get more for less "work", period. Planetside 2 is a current example. They have adjusted some things but it is still an insane grind to diversify your gear if you are not subscribed.

 

That increased cert rate makes all the difference in the world. Diversity is power. Access to weapons to kill specific vehicles is key when you running with a big outfit. I don't see much difference from my experience. The f2p model is really just a demo without a subscription.

In the case of Planetside 2 non-subscribers are fodder until they are given enough time to catch up.

 

Hmmm I'm ok with the club but I don't like the " HEY! Look this item you can get if you give us more money" every single time! (pretty much the same thing that annoys the most of us) I'm ok with the rubbing in your face, but cmon! every time? Drop it to the first and final chest of the adventure and I'm happy (or maybe only in the last chest)

 

I think we could do without the item drop-in and noises when not in the club, but if hovering doesn't show the cards how do we know what we are missing out on? maybe right-click to pull it up, but that requires situational contexts

 

Yeah, I did consider starting a new thread about this but wasn't sure if others shared my concerns.

Maybe the hover could show just the item name and rarity for the club reward? That way if you're curious and already on the fence about joining you can still look the item up in the wiki.
The actual cards are the one thing I really wouldn't want to get dangled in my face every time...

Heh, I probably wouldn't even care if this was some average game but Card Hunter is just so damn awesome and this is pretty much the only bad decision they've made so far

 

Currently unless something changed it is not completely random if it was i would have no P2W concerns about it. You gain the highest rarity guaranteed which means every quest pvp bonus chest and extra adventure reward is a extra rare or better and that adds up fast over a few days.