To help the poll be a slightly less biased hopefully, I left my original purpose out of the thread title and will post my thoughts in the spoiler below. The overarching purpose: Clear up room for future buttons widgets (and/or even just less clutter for now) by removing any option(s) which hands-down players just don't use. Remember that currently, the Set button (the second "All" in the attached image) doesn't even show up in lower resolutions and in Kongregate without some browser zoom hackery. Spoiler: Bob's opinions The item type filter dropdown is useful. Usually, you just click on a char's item to automatically bring that item type into the dropdown. (A useful convenience. Thanks, BM!) Sometimes, though, if nothing else, that's just not especially feasible. Maybe you have a human priest up but wonder what an elf might bring to the table; might as well just click "Elf Skill" in the dropdown. Maybe you want to search for any Treasure items in your inventory, and you haven't unlocked the Jeweler class yet; yep, dropdown. The "Reset item type filter" button is useful. It's not necessary. You can just click "All Items" from the dropdown. But you know what? That Reset button surely is convenient. Point & Click, done. .. versus .. Point, Click, Point, Click*, Point, Click, done. (*this second point+click is to scroll .. you might add Drag here, too, depending how you scroll) The All|Usable[|Unused/New] button is useful. Whoever suggested a new "Equippable" toggle get added, where only "Usable" items display which also can fit in the current char's empty slots including only unused, available tokens, I'm totally all for that! The "New" toggle for shops is fun and interesting. I can kind of see some reasoning for why you, BM, might've added an "Unused" toggle, but does anyone even ever use this? I don't. I looked at it just now, and it seemed pretty pointless. Like maybe I've only ever equipped one Ewix's at once, and that's why my other two appear under this filter? Of course, you know any player who asks (or lurks) in World Chat is going to hear the advice anyway, "don't sell anything except max usable." Even in the month or so before I looked at chat and still sold stuff all willy nilly, I tried the "Unused" option at some point but found it just utterly useless since I was selling everything that my Campaign party wouldn't use anyway. (Well, Who knows, maybe I used it one time ever: once Gary let me sell stuff, to quickly get rid of all my Elf Skills. Heh. But really, I'm quite sure I just searched by dropdown! ha ha ha ha) However, again, I do find all the other toggles on this button useful in some way or another. The Set button is useful. Sometimes, you're just looking for something with particular flavor. Sometimes, you know where something came from but don't recall its name at all, and you want to merely narrow down your results really quickly. Sometimes, a new expansion is out, and heeey, free look-at-new-expansion-items button. $:^ ] If there's anything that I find weird about this button, it's that the "Base" toggle gets shoved to the end; I understand that AA technically came between Citadel and AI, and that's why it'd weirdly be between them (instead of, say, always #2 right after Base being #1, or always tacked onto the very end), but wouldn't Base make more sense as the first option? "Enter search here" -- need I say this is useful? $E^ ] We all know it could use some && instead of just || love, but it's still likely the #1 (or #2?) manually used widgets in the inventory GUI. The "Sort by cost" button might have limited use. For your own stuff, sorting by rarity gives you the same effect, minus Treasures, and then we all know how to look for Treasures. The dropdown! $:^ J For shop stuff, it might have use when your renown is low because similar alternatives -- sorting by rarity and by level -- can yield different ordering results. However, I expect this is not the most useful default ordering for your own stuff. The "Sort by rarity" button is useful. It can certainly help Peasant and Aristocrat building. It's also handy for helping others look up certain things, or just enjoying your own horde for its own sake. $E^ J The "Sort by name" button is useless. I'm curious to see if the poll shows the rest of the community agreeing. Who wants to find all the items that start with "The" all grouped together? (Oh. You're the one? Okay. Type ^the (with a trailing space) into the search bar. Btw, that, I just solved a moment ago, is also how you search for Holy. Type ^holy$ into the search bar.) Would a non-English-native player even use this when one can type any portion of the name into the search bar? I have to dig really hard for any serious reason to sort by name. So far, I fully believe you can remove this option without anyone ever, ever missing it. The "Sort by level" button is useful. Sometimes, one might just be curious to see how much card-quality bang one can get for one's token-requirement buck. Also, this can be useful during the early days when your Renown is low and you're shopping for items that fill some card gaps for you; you likely don't realize yet the standard 25 v 5 prices for everything in the standard shops, let alone the standard 2500 v 500 v 100 prices for everything in the rare shops, and when sorted only by price, it just jumbles together all the standard v overblown prices for things; if you sort by level, you can see, oh here's an item you'd love to have, and you only need one more advance in Renown before the shop will drop the price to normal for you, cool! ~waits one adventure longer~ ..or, this other item you'd seriously love to have is 4-5 levels above you. ~pays extra now instead of waiting~ .. Near the end of writing this post, I realized last minute, people who play adventures chiefly to hunt for certain items can probably use this to hunt for duplicates, too. The "Sort by power required" button is useful. Dare I say, this might be the second most manually used widget in the inventory GUI. (The item type filter dropdown might very well be the most used altogether, but since it's probably more used automatically and very much less used manually, there ya go.) This might even be the best choice for default sort when looking at your own stuff (but probably not at all for shops). All righty. I think I gave all my opinions I had on the specific matter. If I were to add anything else here, it'd be this: If you clear up any room -- and I suggest/predict you can safely remove the "Sort by name" button if nothing else -- then you could add a new "Inventory tips" or "Search tips" or somethingtips rightmost button (labeled "?" probably) with a slight separating space, where clicking this button would give a big pop-up overlay which tells maybe some basic tips on combining search/order to narrow results, but especially could tell all the "Pro Tip" stuff for searches. I mean.. Who would ever guess ^holy$ would search for holy cards? $:^ \ Or, who would ever guess you could find crazy-high-damage attacks by typing damage: [1-9][1-9]? Then, when you change and add features to the search (or ordering or what-have-you), you could add the info to this "?" button's pop-up. Thank you for your time. Regards, $:^ J
"Sort by name" is faster than text search if it's near the beginning or end of the alphabet, and I used it a lot to monitor my collection in the old days, before neoncat's utilities and Skarl's. I haven't used it recently. I've used "sort by level" too, but I can't remember why now. "Cost" is the one I voted for, because I never ever click that. I may go back and change my vote to add "name" and "level" too. Everything else I use frequently.
I voted. Even if none of the buttons are removed entirely, it'd be nice to see two of the less useful sort buttons get hidden in the small GUI instead of the expansion set button which is MUCH more useful.
I can't vote. I use all of the buttons, actually! The poll requires me to select at least one option.
Fwiw, I originally wanted to make the poll "select all the options you use" -- and then I remembered (from what? weird .. Ozyola's community choice?) that there was some limit of three choices people could make, and wrote up the whole post and everything with this in mind, then the poll last. Even when I saw "Unlimited" as a choice, I'd forgotten by that point all my good reasons for originally wanting "select all the options you use," and thus I went with the probably-less-accurate "select options you never use" question. Sorry 'bout that! $:^ J Nevertheless, the results pretty clearly show which option people use the least... and interesting to see which options follow closely behind... And, on some level, it is nice to hear people say they use the option(s) I find useless. ~nod~ @Deepweed: Yeah, like @timeracers said, just mention in your post you use all / vote for none. Thanks for adding your voice. $:^ J
Currently: "Sort by name" button (N)" is in the lead with 61.1% and following that are: "Sort by cost" button ($)" and "Sort by level" button (L)" with 50% EDIT: included the /none votes (Deepweed counts as a /none vote)
Currently: "Sort by name" button (N)" is in the lead with 61.9% and following that is: "Sort by cost" button ($)" with 52.4% This includes 'none' votes.
Voted. I chose "Sort by name" (I use the text search if I am looking for something specific), "Sort by cost" (I sell all treasure, so this is redundant with rarity), and "Search by level" (token cost is far more relevant). Sort of surprised by the number of people who don't use the "usable" toggle, since I use it all the time when equipping for low-level adventures. Maybe people who don't run the campaign much?
I suppose the funny thing about "Sort by cost" is that -- aside from low-renown early days -- the only real reason why I use its sort order is because it's the default sort order. I reiterate from my first post, "Sort by cost" mainly makes little sense as the default order for your own stuff. If nothing else, while writing the original post, I considered adding the suggestion, "let us pick our default sort order," but figured I'd post that separately at a later date. Perhaps the easiest way to implement that without crazy design hassle would be to save our most recently used sort order (individually for "our stuff" (applied to all Keeps and such screens) and "shop stuff" (applied to all shops)). Something else on my mind. I'm glad people are generally giving reasons for votes if they post anything. However, since I managed to lay out a reason for every option except one -- one for which @Kalin filled in a reason he now deems obsolete -- I'm intently curious to hear why anyone (such as @Lord Feleran, @Deepweed, and @Inkfingers above) uses "Sort by name." Tell me its lovely purpose so that I can appreciate the little 64%-said-never-use button.
For all I care the name sorting could go. It was probably the 1st time ever I used it, it just happened to be recently. The game could save the last sorting option we used when we closed our game window and load it the next time.
Btw while we are discussing this, it'd be really nice if the "Usable" button, extended to the challenges too. For example if you plan to play with cursed items, then by pressing the "Usable" you should be able to bring up only the cursed items instead of all the items (powertoken-wise). In the same manner, if you play a "Elf Wizards" challenge, then only items for elves and wizards should appear.
If "Usable" isn't already doing this, it's because you have an illegal char selected. But yes, it would be nice if "Usable" noticed we were attempting a handicap quest.
@ParodyKnaveBob Its all edge cases for me - I don't use it all that often. I remember once I was making an Alphabet build, (each character had a letter) - another time, a bunch of the items I was looking for all started with nearby letters, but were in different slots and rarities, so it was faster. I don't think we NEED it - but in answering the question posed by the poll, I had found cases where it was useful to me.
