So called "dice roll hack"?? Does that exist?

Discussion in 'Adventure Discussion and Strategy' started by kablouser, Jul 26, 2015.

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  1. kablouser

    kablouser Kobold

    I have just played a ranked game. (won it 999(+27) was my result rating) In the game I have been accused of using "dice roll hack" to spin the dice in my favour. But I wasn't.

    I could think of two major reasons for why he accused me of using it.
    1. Most of the dice rolls were in my favour. I say most because he did get a 6 on his rocket dash.
    2. Trying to waste my time limit to win. It takes some time to type to him, I don't think I'm a slow typer. On ten fast fingers test I got
    Words per minute (WPM)52
    Keystrokes282
    (261 | 21)
    Correct words50
    Wrong words3
    You are better than 73.09% of all users (position 21277 of 79079 - last 24 hours)
    but still my time limit was a several minutes less than his.

    Now that aside. Does "dice roll hack" in card hunter exist? I think the dice rolls are handled by the server so it would be impossible to change the outcome unless you literally hack their servers. I don't know what do you think?
     
  2. kablouser

    kablouser Kobold

    btw the chat log between him/her and me.

    x says: well, 2x6 for u and 5x1 for me, guess u use the dice hacking software
    Pro_kablouser says:
    Pro_kablouser says: what?!
    Pro_kablouser says: ok what ever
    Pro_kablouser says: get reckd
    x says: np, i m not a mod
    x says: will not report it
    x says: but disinstall it, for more fair play
    x says: and more fun. Dice hacking give less fun
    Pro_kablouser says: im not using any software
    Pro_kablouser says: i dont even need dice rolls
    x says: yeah yeah. ofc, u will never admit it
    Pro_kablouser says: i cant really prove anything to ignorant people
    x says: lol, proof ?
    x says: full 6 and me full 1 is enough
    x says: if u want to lie about it, be more discret ;p but np anyway
    Pro_kablouser says: i meant i cant prove to you that i didnt use any
    x says: idc, i m not a mod
    Pro_kablouser says: because you dont trust me
    x says: lol ofc i don t trust u
    Pro_kablouser says: how would you even control the dice roll
    Pro_kablouser says: !?
    Pro_kablouser says: isnt it handled by the server?
    x says: downloading the software
    Pro_kablouser says: the server
    Pro_kablouser says: i cant control the server
    x says: lol
    Pro_kablouser says: you might be trying to use up my time limit
    x says: u don t know how ur software work ? really ? XD
    Pro_kablouser says: you might be trying to use up ALL my time limit to win
    Pro_kablouser says: but youre scrub
    x says: that s stupid
    x says: u have 12 mins lol and i surrend this as long as u using the dice hack
     
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  3. Scarponi

    Scarponi Moderator

    Some people get grumpy when the RNG isn't in their favor. Just ignore it. You don't actually have to respond.
     
  4. DunDunDun

    DunDunDun Thaumaturge

    No, but, after reading that conversation, I think it's clear we need to report usernamedeleted:
    Their extensive use of the following non-standard card is a clear sign of "card-hacking".


    [​IMG]
     
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  5. Phaselock

    Phaselock Bugblatter

    There are kids who haven't been taught about probability, a little tolerance goes a long way. Btw, this thread serves no purpose.
     
  6. kablouser

    kablouser Kobold

    this threads purpose was to discuss if "dice roll hack" exists or this kid is just mental.
     
  7. Phaselock

    Phaselock Bugblatter

    You did not have to post the chatlog with names and everything. The OP was fine, the 2nd post wasn't and should have been moderated (@Scarponi or @Pengw1n). Plus you just outright called him names.
     
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  8. neoncat

    neoncat Feline Outline

    I missed 11 parries straight once. No hax involved, just the ***** **-***** **** * ** ************************************ rng. :p
     
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  9. Jarmo

    Jarmo Snow Griffin

    No, it does not exist. The dice rolls are handled by the server. There is nothing a player can do to change them. There is no cheating. There is just randomness.
     
  10. DunDunDun

    DunDunDun Thaumaturge

    You mean the point isn't to display my photoshopping skills in an effort to de-stress over the past two weeks of minimally moderated game trolls?
    Darn, I don't even know why I'm here, then.

    [Edited after rereading the forum rules:] While calling people out IS against the listed forum rules, so is calling out people who have called people out ;P

    And short of any elements in the quoted chatlog, there was certainly no name-calling until you started antagonizing the conversation [which I was trying to divert toward humor].

    I'm not saying you intentionally or notably did anything problematic, I'm just saying that as far as 'doesn't serve a purpose' goes, none of your comments have thus far served one either, to my perceptions.

    After all, it'd been made pretty clear to me- nevermind how it's phrased the same way in the forum rules- that you're supposed to report people you believe are breaking forum rules, rather than engage them. [Likewise, if you think the rules should be changed or clarified, that feels like it'd be better suited for a new thread.]

    :waves hand: Not that I can tell if this post is serving much good here, either, or if it is touching on any iffy ground itself.

    Can't we just get back to the gnome-thwomping, I'm much better at understanding that. :cool:
     
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  11. Pengw1n

    Pengw1n Moderately Informed Staff Member

    I can understand getting frustrated with being called a cheat. But since it's the op being accused, rather than reporting anyone it's an odd duck. I'd suggest not responding if happens again - or just ask them to report you if they believe there's anything untowards going on. I'll remove the other persons name from the chatlog in an attempt to be diplomatic.
     
  12. timeracers

    timeracers Guild Leader

    No it's pseudo random, it is impossible to make anything truly random.
     
  13. Jarmo

    Jarmo Snow Griffin

    Randomness is randomness. Pseudo, truly, for all intents and purposes in the context we're talking about here, it's randomness that determined the dice rolls that displeased a player, not someone cheating. Arguing about the technical details just muddies the issue.

    Did you know most physical dice used in e.g. in PnP RPGs produce skewed distributions? It has been shown that only sharp-edged new dice produce truly random results. Like the ones they use in casinos. All rounded-corner dice are basically cheating.
     
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  14. DunDunDun

    DunDunDun Thaumaturge

    Forget corners, you have the fact that all standard tabletop dice have imbalances in weight, and that dice are easily manipulated by hand if you know how. :p

    And yep. Even using hashed randomizations, it's still random because the initial hash was picked randomly, and applies based on the order of actions you yourself choose.
     
  15. Farbs

    Farbs Blue Manchu Staff Member

    Now consider that all dice rolls on the server use the same pseudorandom number generator across all battles, and in handling various other cases like spawn point selection and random moves. Your dice roll result doesn't depend so much on what order you play your actions in, but what actions are received by the server (and in what order) from all players. These are not uniformly distributed across time, and are subject to the unpredictable winds of network speed and routing. So, yeah, good luck predicting that :)
     
  16. DunDunDun

    DunDunDun Thaumaturge

    ^
    tl;dr: It's apparently the wind's fault your die rolls suck.


    :rolleyes:
     
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  17. Mirkel

    Mirkel Goblin Champion

    Always blame the gnomes.
     
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  18. Christofff

    Christofff Guild Leader

    It's the fault of the mechanical men, those b*stards.

    Either that or 1000s of poor monkeys rolling dice in the server room, being whipped by Jon and Farbs.
     
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  19. Ken

    Ken Kobold

    Um...oh nevermind.
     
  20. That necro though.
     
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