On dice and pizza (to the devs)

My bad it was late and i worded things dreadfully but i have to point out that at no point did i tell you to go away.

My post has been reworded feel free to give it a second look and have a nice day!

I do have to point out that none of these opinions have anything to do with me being in the beta so being extra hostile towards me either for assuming i think my point in the pricing model discussion is more valid then yours because I'm in the beta or out of jealousy is blatantly unfair.

 

I think the assumption is on both sides, if someone suggest that you don't play something you don't enjoy then is that telling you what to do? And it is hard to take ya as not chilled when you continue sounding in fact... "Not Chilled".. Just sayin'

What originally it was meant to be and what is now... First it could be an assumption why they changed their payment model, maybe they realized that a lot of people don't want to pay a chunk of money for a web-browser game, or that asking for a monthly charge would actually cost more long term, and not want to mess with it. All I hear you do is compare it with all these other "games" that are all about taking your cash, and I get why.. because most the time that is all that is out there. But i this is actually rather unfair to the people who made this game.. They set really low prices for things, and have given lots of options for free thing to do so that you don't even have to play to enjoy the game or even have a fair shot in whatever you want to do with it.

Remember the days when people use to play games for fun? Whatever happen to those? Now it is just win win win.. I got to be better then everyone else, and if someone is paying even for the smallest of things it is unfair, and now I can't win. I am not saying your are going into it that much, but for what it is, and what they offer to those who pay, it really isn't that bad. Content wise they give a lot, and that is cool. For money they give a lot without asking for too much, and that is also cool. If you have problems because PVP isn't completely balanced because someone had access to a dungeon or two that you didn't.. well that is like stomping your foot and yelling "That's not fair". Not to mention ya haven't even tried it, and seen for yourself how it would work out, ya are just assuming it won't because it exists.

This isn't a game breaking thing (The few dungeons that are locked), nor is it even something that big... But I am glad I am able to play this game for free, and enjoy all the content that is available. If that means some are not because I don't want to spend a dollar on the game to unlock a dungeon.. well so be it. That is fair enough. And if this seemed rude, in anyway.. my bad, but this is just is just crazy getting on them already for something that is just not only just starting, but where ya haven't even tried it and still making comments about how " (arguably) light pay to win" it is.

 

Whenever you add something like "but where ya haven't even tried it" as a qualifier for ANYTHING you write in here, you are going to fuel the "Just because you're in beta doesn't make you any better than the rest of us" fire...

 

Well, making rash judgements on something you have only heard/read a little bit about is not great either. At no point did I say I was better or worse then anyone else. If someone wants to take it like that well that is on them its really that simple.

 

It's just that tensions are pretty high among those those of us that have not gotten into the beta yet (mine are somewhat lower atm since I got to at least check it out for a week or so), and when someone that does have the priviledge of being in the beta makes any kind of comment that even suggests a superior attitude, you can expect an "emotional" response.

 

Well about some getting in while others don't.. I can't say much I just got lucky is all, nothing special here. If it were up to me I would let everyone in, but its not and that would prob be a bad idea (server overload) so its a good thing it isn't

But I believe my point is right, and if someone doesn't want to listen because I was lucky and got an invite and they didn't well that just isn't good. I am sure given time everyone will get in. Its hard to wait, but they are making progress and its got to be sooner then later right?

 

I'm sure that's what we ALL want. But until then, there WILL be hurt feelings and things said might seem like they are coming from attitudes that probably aren't there. I think those IN the beta should be as sensitive as possible to those that aren't, and those NOT IN the beta should try to keep their emotions in check when posting replies to those that are in.

But we're all human, and sometimes we do things out of emotion that we might not do otherwise. And I can say from first hand how badly some people want to get into the beta and how sore they are that they have not had that chance yet.

 

This is just (IMO) but, just because your in the beta doesn't mean you should have to hold back your opinion on a public discussion board. It doesn't mean that if ya see something as wrong you should just ignore it because someone "Might" get the wrong idea and get all upset because ya mentioned something. Just because someone responds.. what you can't see that what are you blind.. doesn't mean he is going to offend all the blind people out there (Well not if it is typed out at least.. heh.. Kidding). This is a specific topic about an aspect of the game, and how unbalancing it is to the players. Balance issues are better tried then just guessed on, and I can't change that if I tried. If someone can't discuss that without getting emotional about not getting into said beta, maybe they shouldn't bring up the topic in the first place is all I am saying.

Honestly all this does is move off topic of what was originally said so lets keep in mind this is just a discussion of the micro-transaction system not who is in the beta and who isn't.

I understand this, but as you said its not the fault of the people who did get in. They aren't keeping the people out, and as far as I have seen I haven't actually seen anyone start talking on the lines of "Ha Ha I got in". Though I haven't seen all the posts.. Honestly if I saw something that blatant I would report the post as I would suggest to anyone who has.

Edit: Listen.. I am not trying to say everything said here is something that "had to be tried". The only point where I even mentioned the "Try it yourself" is the point where it is not unbalancing. There are several other points that could of been looked at, but if that is where they want to focus or get emotional I can't help that. I am just here to discuss this topic, and that is all.

 

YOU may be here to discuss the topic, but those of us that are not in the beta are here to get into the beta. Keep that in mind... It's hard to discuss the finer points of a game you have not even gotten the chance to play, and seeing others do so only rubs in that fact.

 

Well i I'm sure you can agree I'm not on a high horse or deserving of white hot not in beta rage mojo.

 

Listen.. if it is hard to discuss or heard discuss parts of the game then maybe those specific discussions are best left alone? I am not telling you what to do (We don't need to loop around to that... again), and I am not telling you to leave. I am just saying if discussing the game (which is the discussion you started.. btw general you not you specifically) only brings the frustration that you didn't get in, then it is prob a discussion that is best left alone.

I see a lot of people asking questions about what is this, or how does this work, and are handling things just fine, so I am sure this problem is on an individual level. But I ask you.. if your not here to discuss things, then why even start a discussion.. if you are only here for the sole reason of getting into beta.. then there are plenty of threads that are for that purpose, and this is not one of them. There is very (Veeery) little chance that this discussion will lead to any kind of beta key for anyone.. so if that is your sole purpose why even be in it? If that is your sole purpose.. the only one you have.. then discussing things like this is just wasting your time, and the people responding time. If the point is to discuss the game, or the aspects of the game (Like Micro-Transactions.. as this was originally about) then that is fine, heck that is what the purpose behind the forums are.

All dude said was one line.. and even then it was on an assumptions off things from someones response. They assumed they were telling them what to do, but I don't see posts and posts about how people get upset about that. This is just some off topic discussion about what that guy said and has carried on.. It wasn't the point behind his post, nor the responses behind it. Just some off handed remark about how he thought someone was acting better then him (Which they were not even doing). So I am beginning to lose sight of even the point behind this.

 

It seems like people feeling that way would be best served sticking to the General forums, then. Not that anyone is unwelcome in the Beta forums (imo), but that it's inevitable they'll encounter those triggers pretty often.

 

This is my concern. I don't object to the idea inherently, but I just KNOW this is the kinda thing that's gonna cause this sort of commentary from the community. Also, what happens when the person spends the 5 pizza and then fails the adventure anyways. They'll come crying to the forums about how the game rips them off and lets them spend money "for nothing". It seems like a giant can of worms that best remains closed.

 

I'm just here to discuss the games and the potential issues I have with it from my current perspective. I've been here for a long time, patiently waiting, chiming in with meaningful comments and discussions when I feel I have something of worth to bring to the table, not someone who magically popped up on the forums and decided to join in just because they got a beta key. I'm not in beta so I can't comment and report on those things, nor back up discussions about facts that beta players know of, so take it easy on those outsiders who don't know what you know, when engaging with them.
If I'm headstrong, or my questions and comments are touchy subjects, so be it, but these issues need to be brought up and need to be considered and discussed. Most people rarely like to say anything negative or to challenge BM on some points. I'm not only here to pat them on their back and tell them they're doing a great job.

 

Infinite, I know someone earlier told you to chill out, and you responded negatively to that, but seriously, you should think about chillaxing a bit here. No one expects you to never saying anything negative or to never challenge BM. People are just disagreeing with your view about in game purchases and just where the line lies on what is/isn't "pay to win". There have been plenty of "negative" (I'd use the term 'constructively critical') things said about the game, and BM and the forums as a whole seem to take it very well. Take the "trog quest is too hard" stuff as an example. Plenty of people have constructively criticised the game and BM has responded.

And while it may seem "haughty" or "snobby" for a beta player to say "you aren't in beta, you don't know!!!!111!!!1!!!!eleven!!", their point is still valid. We who aren't in beta yet have a limited perspective, and those people are trying to say "with my increased insight due to my beta experience, I believe *insert reason they disagree with you*". I don't think they are trying to gloat, or diminish your opinion, they are trying to offer their own insight based on their beta access.

No one wants you silenced, or thinks you shouldn't say what you're saying. They just disagree with you.

Oh, and by the way, in regards to this from your first post in this thread:

I somewhat agree wtih you. I don't like the OP's suggestion at all. Not sure if I'd simply "not play", but I understand the sentiment.

 

I'm sure their SPECIFIC reasoning is a "behind closed doors" kind of thing, because that all goes with their strategy as a business, and it's never smart to just bluirt out your business strategy. But put 2 and 2 together, and I'm sure that they are doing it the way they are doing it because of the success that similar models have had for other companies.

 

In a kind of side note, I have spent more real cash in LOTRO since it became "free to play". Go figure?

 

This is just something i think i remember hearing so don't take my word for it but i think jon said that they like the idea of free to play because they want as many people as possible to be able to play the game. Which is also why buying power is such a important thing not to have because that excludes people.