Incoming AoS/MOBA-inspired gameplay options

A suggestion I've been thinking about for a while... what if some figure bases were partially transparent to show special cases?

I'm thinking of dividing the base into three parts: Center, Outer Edge, and a thin Middle Ring between. The Center would be clear if the char gives zero points when killed, otherwise it's the player's color. The Outer Edge is clear if the char cannot claim any victory square, otherwise player's color. Middle Ring is always the player's color.

 

Checking the logs, there's no message when the respawn happens.

It appears that the respawn tags disable the kill-all-opponents win condition, with the game auto-passing for you when you have no chars. Intentional?

EDIT: Did some testing, and found that using the filters can set up a situation where the AI passes infinitely until you resign.

Suggestion: respawnSinglePeriodOne/Two/etc
The "Single" means only one char (per team) respawns each period.

 

Bringing back that win condition (you lose if all your chars are dead at the same time) would be best for my current WIP.

But you really need to do something to prevent infinite passing (I suspect it could tie up the server if the player disconnects instead of resigning).

Playing around some more, I see that chars do not respawn if someone standing on their spawn point.

 

I'm very interested to see if anyone can cook up some fun singleplayer modes using these tags ... Mary Myrax is waiting!

 

Using the team based VP I had a few map ideas a while ago. I designed Chupa Chase / Monster Hunt originally hoping for them, but then had to add Flight Aura and focus on the Chupacabra monster due to that restriction.

I might come up with something later on. Could use some more things to pad out my portfolio.

 

A quick question, if iwant to add more than one tag, do i need put a comma or just leave a space? or anything else?

 

and about:
Kill Point Removal
You can set the number of victory points received for a kill to zero via the following scenario tags:

• noKillPoints - applies to all characters
• noMinionKillPoints - applies to all minions
• noNonMinionKillPoints - applies to all characters that are not minions

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its possible to add a noKillpointsPlayer0 ( player 0 gets no points by killing chars) and noKillpointsPlayer1 ?

 

Cool, i just submitted a map to mm using some of the new tags . tested it vs gary on the test server and all seems to work.
Fell free to play it and gimmi fedback

Very good job Farbs, this new tags will add a lot more dimension to custom maps

 

I've been looking at some unshuffled monster decks, and notice that generally all their attacks are in a clump in the middle, traits are at the end, and several of them start by drawing all their moves. This isn't very good for custom scenarios.

Do you want us to bug you about reordering monster decks for each monster we want to use? Or should we try to come up with some deterministic way to automatically create playable orderings of most monster decks?

Here's my first attempt:

Spoiler: this got kinda complex...

There are 8 types of cards (I'm going to count hybrids as the first type listed).
Decide on a good order of types.
Create the new deck by picking cards one at a time from the old deck until none are left, using this order:

First card of type 1
First card of type 2
First card of type 3
...
First card of type 8
Second card of type 1​

etc...

For the order of types, how does this sound?

1. Attack
2. Armor
3. Block
4. Assist
5. Move
   
6. Handicap
7. Utility
8. Boost

Originally I was going to start by sorting the deck by card name to make it purely deterministic, but I later realized that skipping that step gives us the option of making minor tweaks to specific decks if needed. For example, if we don't want monsters drawing All Out Attack as their first card.

Does anyone have a specific monster they want to use in an unshuffled game?

 

I'm very curious to explore these new tags for map ideas in the future. Little busy at the moment looking for work, but they definitely do open a lot of new things.

Is there any way we can get access to the tag that allows only certain units to score VP as well as only certain team?

 

Here are a few other ideas I discussed with Jon a long time ago that could really introduce some new mechanisms for building maps. Maybe you'd be interested in pursuing them as well.

• Ability for victory tiles to give VPs to both players (based on the number of spots they are on -- thus tied number of victory tiles doesn't simply just give both players nothing)

• "Illusory Terrain" as in something that blocks line of sight but not movement (could be difficult terrain or open terrain for movement reasons) -- themed wise it could be like vines hanging down or a closed door or something

• Ability for permanent default attachments on tiles (lava, acid, spikes, etc.) -- they can be overwritten with other attachments, but default back to the specific type when the new attachment expires

 

This would be problematic as it would make ties/potentially very long matches possible. It would create the need for a new system: tie resolution -> more complicated, not as elegant design, harder to explain to players, UI complications.

 

Yes, it would need tie resolution to be dealt with. It could be explained in text through a league description (a la how Oozeball works).

I'd probably suggest that ties in VP give whoever gained the most VP on that turn (say it is 5 VP and both are at 4 VP, one person earned 1 VP and another earned 2 VP -- thus the person who earned 2 VP wins). It wouldn't be that complicated from a user perspective. VP goals would be more of a threshold to victory instead of an absolute.

Just throwing out ideas on new types of things to add to the editor that could create a large number of new gameplay modes.

 

I just checked this, and "noShuffle" only skips the initial shuffle, not future shuffles.

@Farbs, did you make any other changes when you added the second set of tags? My deck extraction scenario doesn't work any more; it gets stuck before showing cards drawn (sometimes the logs show cards drawn for 1 or 2 groups, other times the logs stop with the battle start message). It was still working about a week ago when I used it to get unshuffled decks for Mom and Cardotron.

 

Would it be possible to get a filter so one can apply this only to player 0 or player 1?