[Suggestion] Please spend an hour or two cleaning up card wording!

Discussion in 'Feedback and Suggestions' started by Flaxative, Jun 24, 2014.

  1. Flaxative

    Flaxative Party Leader

    I know the devs have a lot on their plates, but I can't imagine that changing something like the wording of Dodge would take much time. It's a great example because it has multiple issues.

    1) It doesn't say that the attack needs to come from the front. Quick Reactions and other similar cards do, and Dodge triggers in the same way, yet there's no indication that this is the case.

    2) It just says "targeting you"—the same wording that's on, for instance, Simian Reflexes. Dodge doesn't work when you're hit by a cone or linear attack; the latter does. Why? There's no obvious explanation in the wording of the cards.

    I know there's a useful forum thread with explanations of wonky rules situations, but how hard could it really be to change the text on the card? It's just a string, right? It's not like changing the card text would change the way the card works, so this doesn't affect balance at all (except insofar as it would remove a disadvantage for new players currently imposed by inconsistency).

    @Jon, @Farbs, @whoever else - should the community amass a list of cards that need this treatment? Would that make it easier for you guys? I know most of these issues have been brought up before, and unlike new features—or even bug or balance fixes—I just don't see why the wording would be hard to fix.

    If I'm missing something obvious, I apologize.

    But heck, I'd edit the card texts myself if you guys don't have time. :)
     
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  2. Lord Feleran

    Lord Feleran Guild Leader

    Can't recall any cases by heart but there are many cases, yes, where the wording is confusing/wrong and you just have to know (from previous experience) how the card actually works.
     
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  3. Jade303

    Jade303 Thaumaturge

    I'd like Hot Flames+Resistant Hide, and Penetrating + Toughness to be reworded. Just by reading these cards, you would have no clue what would happen.
    Also, possibly fine tune Shredding Strike/Sundering Strike to say that it negates the effect of the armor (like Toughness card draw, Inspiring Armor draw, or Holy Armor healing). Maybe "When damage from this attack would be prevented by armor, that armor does not prevent damage and is immediately discarded".

    *EDIT* Immediately has no tooltip currently... but I take it to mean that it overrides the normal precedent. In any case, my point is valid.
     
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  4. Flaxative

    Flaxative Party Leader

    Problem is that " immediately " means before blocks.
     
  5. Jacques

    Jacques Hydra

    Maybe it's a bit silly, but I think it's confusing when a card like Instant Burn says "you". It isn't clear if it's refering to the character or the player, so I would just change it for "this character" instead.
     
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  6. Farbs

    Farbs Blue Manchu Staff Member

    I don't think this is a super high priority at the moment, but yes, a list would be extremely helpful thanks!
     
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  7. Flaxative

    Flaxative Party Leader

    Okay. I'll begin compiling a list when I'm back. In the meantime, people should use this thread to consolidate wording inconsistency reports.
     
  8. Squidy

    Squidy Hydra

    Let's start with something important to the creator of this thread.

    Besides Touch Of Pain, every vamp attacks have the same wording but one. Invigorating Touch has the words "to yourself" after "Heal 1" unlike the others.
     
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  9. Sir Veza

    Sir Veza Farming Deity

    Forward Thinking
    Draw two cards. Keep one and discard the other.

    When I first played this I clicked on the card I wanted to keep. I recommend changing the wording to:
    Draw two cards. Keep one and select one to discard.
     
  10. Jade303

    Jade303 Thaumaturge

    This seems to be a problem with Inspirational Thinking as well.
    "Draw two[three] cards. Keep one[two] and discard the other"

    How about "Draw two[three] cards. (Select and) Discard one and keep the other[others]"

    Also, can we change Invigorating Touch from Gold to Silver already?
     
  11. Flaxative

    Flaxative Party Leader

    Please stay on topic, let's not dilute this thread with balance suggestions!
     
  12. Jade303

    Jade303 Thaumaturge

    THIS IS NOT A BALANCE SUGGESTION NOT EVEN CLOSE

    Find me one item where Invigorating Touch is actually worth the gold. Everywhere I see it, it's always of silver quality. If it were really gold, Vampire's Blade should be level 5 item and Glowing Hide Armor/Trained Cleansing would cost a token.
    Not to mention, why would Enervating Touch be bronze and Invigorating Touch gold? Doesn't make sense.

    I firmly believe that the card image is incorrect, and should be fixed just like the text.
     
  13. Flaxative

    Flaxative Party Leader

    Whether or not it makes sense, it isn't a card text issue. Also holy cow, don't yell in here.
     
  14. Sir Veza

    Sir Veza Farming Deity

    Okay. I don't disagree with your argument, but how about posting this in a card color thread. ;)
     
  15. Jade303

    Jade303 Thaumaturge

    There's a card color thread? :confused:

    On-topic, see here Massive Chop:
    "When this card is in hand, subtract 2 from all Block rolls"

    This should state clearly that this subtracts 2 from your own block rolls.. so I propose:

    "While this card is in your hand, subtract 2 from all of your Block rolls."
     
  16. Squidy

    Squidy Hydra

    If you create one ;)
     
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  17. Scarponi

    Scarponi Moderator

    I'd suggest: "... select one to discard, keep the other(s)."
     
  18. Stexe

    Stexe #2 in Spring PvP Season

    There's a few spelling errors and grammar inconsistencies as well. Sometimes they use the American English "-or" and sometimes the British English "-our" ... I prefer less letters (the -or) since it saves space, but at least keep it consistent!

    Oh, and there are spelling errors still in the single player campaign that would take no time to fix at all.

    Maybe you want to compile a bulleted list for them so they can just go down it and check each thing off?
     
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  19. Bandreus

    Bandreus Thaumaturge

    Grammar errors for cards go into the Card Text Bug Thread.

    In a way, I think the whole discussion about poor wording might go in-there as well, as misleading wording could be considered a bug. Also because it's easier for the devs to track down similar issues if those are all reported in the same thread.

    EDIT: Oh and I think most SP text-bugs can be reported in the Game Text Bugs thread
     
  20. Stexe

    Stexe #2 in Spring PvP Season

    That's a lot of places to look and a lot of things to compile. If someone wanted to make a "tl;dr" version like I have in my balance thread where each inconsistency is bulleted it would make implementing the changes a billion times easier for Jon.
     

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