Loot Fairy Tracker

Well, that depends whether you define "shorted" as "not getting the Loot Fairy at an adventure three times" or "not getting the Loot Fairy at an adventure two times". I won't be able to get the next one three times like I did Black Oaken Heart.

Also, to get the next adventure even two times I'd need to get the second dip at the specific time window after the adventure reset but before the Loot Fairy moves again (between the hours of 00:00 and 03:00 UTC tomorrow). The same goes for getting the one after that twice and the one after that and so on. Eventually it'd become too inconvenient or a game crash or server update or the two times coinciding would prevent getting the second dip. In that way in practical terms I think it can be said that using the third dip for an adventure shorts the next one. It's not technically 100% correct but in practise it's probably near enough.

The whole thing is pretty weird, hard to wrap your head around and to talk about without a lot of confusion. I've gone through what I just wrote many times but I'm still left with a little nagging doubt there might still be something a little off in it.

 

Hmm I couldn't get on before 8 (EDT) but being in between 8-10 I thought I'd get the 3rd Black Oaken Heart.. nopes.. oops.. lol
Hope to at least get 2 Cardstocks now though since I was on before the very recent move here, TBD

 

It doesn't seem to be this way. I got the Loot Fairy twice at The Wizard's Workshop here and then I got it three times at Black Oaken Heart here, here and here. But now I'll only be able to get it easily once at the next one (or twice with the need to get the second time within the short time window).

By the way, from now on I shall be calling the time window between the adventure reset and the Loot Fairy move "Delta" as mathematically the difference between two values is their delta and a delta can be a physical place. A river delta is the place where a river ends and deposits all the stuff it carries with it into a lake or a sea. It's a forever shifting twilight landscape where all kinds of things can turn up. I feel it's a fitting name for the strange Cardhuntrian place and time where you can maybe get otherdimensional, phantom Loot Fairies or not, one gets confused.

 

I missed the Black Oak fairy but am back on track with Cardstock Preview II. I love the incentive to replay old scenarios!

Also love that I got UREE(R), I should look at what they actually are...
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My second Ulalia's Boots and my second Flicker's Earcuff. Duplicate epics... I feel so fancy!

 

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URRE(E)

E's are Salazar's Sandals and Jygpin's Healing Ring
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UURL(R) Nasrum's Moccasins
Nice, my first copy! 2x Enchanted Harness + Dangerous Maneuver for opens armor tanking build possibilities.

 

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It is easily confusing, you happen to be hitting at a specific point that makes it more so. First to clarify, I'm not talking about the length of a time frame window or the practicality of getting the fairy based on one's own timezone - this is a question of practicality not feasibility. The simple rule of thumb is that it is feasible to get the LF an "extra" time at a location by sacrificing an opportunity to get it at the previous location (though all of this may or may not be practical). How this can be done has been addressed earlier. What makes your particular situation more difficult to understand is that when the LF was at the Wizard's Workshop you actually had 3 opportunities at it (all of these being "base" opportunities, not extra ones that require sacrificing an opportunity elsewhere). This happens under the current system once every 24 25 days - see my debate with Squidy on page 63 of this thread for how that plays out. So what happened was you actually did sacrifice an opportunity at the previous location by getting the LF only twice at the Wizard's Workshop and that's how you were able to get it 3 times at Black Oaken Heart.

If none of that makes sense it's not a big deal, my initial response to your post was just to make sure you realized that you could actually get the LF twice at the current location too. Wouldn't want you to miss because you thought you'd used up an opportunity by playing BOH 3 times![/S]

 

Scarponi, I said myself that it depended on whether you meant getting it three or two times at the previous location. And the theoretical opportunities < practical opportunitites. Also, I got the idea from your and Squidy's debate that the third "base" opportunity is an illusion based on rolling the chance through all the Deltas which will eventually still bite you in the keister at the end of the 24-day cycle. My cursory understanding was that the sum of all chances counted over the full cycle is still 24*2, there's no free extra chance appearing from anywhere.

Thanks for the good intentions, appreciate it!

 

UURR (R) @ Cardstock Preview II

 

humm no cardstock II x 2 for me either boo... get back to better efforts tomorrow then, cheers

 

UURR(R)
My game froze so I couldn't get the double, but I picked up Spear Of The Cozqui and Bern's Untouchable Mail on the firat two maps.

 

Congratulations, you've actually made me rethink what I thought Squidy and I had nailed down. First let me correct myself, it's a 25 day cycle, not 24. In those 25 days the LF will be at 24 locations (because the loot fairy is 1 hour slower at moving than the day, it will "lose an hour" each day and make it to only 24 locations over those 25 days). As I demonstrated here the LF can be gotten on average twice at each location with the exception of one location a cycle it can be gotten thrice without effecting the twice per location average. This means you can get it 23*2+1*3=49 times total in the 24 locations, but over the 25 days.

This also means @Squidy and I were slightly off in agreeing that the LF can be gotten as much as twice a day on average, it's actually just a hair less.

 

So in responding to Jarmo I had to look closer - the reason why this is still off is there are no days where I got it three times, only locations. So by days its actually only 2 a day max with the exception of May 9th and June 3rd which is limited to one.

So if I sum up the conversation, it would be something like this:

-Squidy: There is no way to get more then an average of two fairies a day.
-Scarponi: Correct but do note that at some point one will have to repeat the same adventure 3 times in order to keep that ratio due to the 25 hours cycle nature of the fairy.
-Squidy: True, thanks for pointing that out.
-Scarponi: Scratch that, it's still not an even number of max hits over the cycle, but it's that at best you can get it one less than 2 on average, not one more (and this still takes getting it 3 times at one location).
-Squidy: So you're saying you just discovered your original position was even further off than what I had said?
-Scarponi: I quit.

Let me know if I am wrong.

 

Okay with a little more thought I think I can explain why it works the way it does (for those who care about these things). There are two things that create an opportunity to get the loot fairy, a loot fairy move, or an adventure reset. Every time someone gets the loot fairy at least one of these two thing has transpired since the last time they got the loot fairy. And while the time of adventure resets can be manipulated by the user by a judicious client refresh, the maximum number of resets remains constant (1 per 24 hour period). Now over an entire LF cycle (25 days, 24 locations) the loot fairy moves 24 times and there are as many as 25 adventure resets. This gives a maximum of 49 opportunities (24+25) to get the loot fairy per cycle. However, once each cycle the move and reset will naturally coincide (when the LF moves at oo:00 UTC) thus effectively eliminating 1 opportunity unless the player delays the adventure reset to take advantage of the move first and then the reset subsequently.

Hope this helps!

 

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2x R Treasure, Blackhammer, Bec De Corbin

 

That definitely makes sense, thank you, Jarmo and everybody else involved with elaborating on the inner mechanics of the whole system.

As I see things, it's not (really) a question of "how can I get more fairy drops than the system technically allows", but rather "how can I get as many fairy drops as possible, while still avoiding having to login at the wee hours".

And yeah, while abusing the client's implementation of the reset timer it's technically possible to score additional fairy drops, a quick reality check (client goig out of synch, loosing connection, etc.) makes it that impractical save for a bunch of days a month.

Depending on your timezone, that might be irrelevant. For me though (and many other people), the adventure resets happens deep at night, so knowing all the intricacies of the system greatly helps with not having to deal with an impossible sleep-cycle. That doesn't change the fact I got the fairy only once today, but at least things get much more manageable in those days during the cycle when the time frame in-between adventure and fairy resets get convenient enough for a more relaxed double improved drop.

 

Only one thing —

I wouldn't call it abuse

 

well, you can call it "doing what the current client's implementation allows for" if that makes you feel better mate

PS: calling it any name you like isn't going to change anything. Unless you think people really are stupid enough for not seeing things the way they are by simply calling them different ways. If that's not the case, maybe you should really consider a career with politics!!!

On a more serious note, "doing what the system allows for" still needs quite some dedication (i.e. the vast majority of people are not going to take advantage of that, save for maybe once or twice a month, on average), so I don't see that as a huge deal either.

 

Words are relevant, Bandreus. Would good ol' Bill really have written "A turdbulge by any other name would smell as sweet?" No way. Would Flax be offended if you had told him to consider a career in leading our prosperous nation to a bright new future? Yes, but only because he's a scruffy communist fairy.

(Personally speaking, all youse people willing to mess around with all this so you can play the same scenario three times are welcome to more rewards than I.)