Loot Fairy Tracker

Discussion in 'Card Hunter General Chat' started by Flaxative, Mar 13, 2014.

  1. Jarmo

    Jarmo Snow Griffin

    It's a valuable trick to know when the fairy is in an adventure of a level you're particularly interested in getting items from. Of course, you sacrifice an unknown level chance from the next day, but if the known one is desirable enough, it could be worth it. Also, if the time window for the third dip isn't at an unmanageable hour.

    It's a nice little new hard decision/gamble for the most avid Card Hunters.
     
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  2. Lord Feleran

    Lord Feleran Guild Leader

    Isn't it the other way around? I think it is.
    If the fairy is in a level you do NOT want items from, you only get it once from there. And then you can get loot 3 times from the next fairy, but you don't know yet where will he be the next day.
     
  3. Squidy

    Squidy Hydra

    Actually it's more skiping a shot on an adventure you don't like but ya you have a point. And I agree with gamble part as browser can crash at any time :p
     
  4. Lord Feleran

    Lord Feleran Guild Leader

    Yep, im quite sure now it works this way and Squidy seems to agree too.
    Anyway, I'm trying to skip our lvl 2 fairy today for the 2nd time and get 3 fairies from wherever it's going to be next. I'll post you the screenshots as a proof ;)

    And Jarmo, no uni maths here, only logic :p
     
  5. Jarmo

    Jarmo Snow Griffin

    Yeah, that's the way the timing works out. You have to save a chance to get three shots, can't decide to do it if you've already used one up.

    But then, couldn't you end up saving for a less-rainy day however long, forever waiting for the perfect level? Thus end up with less total loot on average? It's starting to look too bothersome and less attractive. Much easier to just douple-dip each day.

    One thing is you can skip the douple-dip when you hate the adventure du jour or don't have time for it and save the extra try for the next day, thus not "losing" it.
     
  6. Lord Feleran

    Lord Feleran Guild Leader

    You wouldn't get less total loot. If you get it only once 1 time then you can get it twice the next time, leave the 3rd and still get it 3 times the next time etc.
    So you can save the 3rd fairy for however long but that requires playing on specific times.
    Definitely easier to just take it twice every time :p
     
  7. Squidy

    Squidy Hydra

    @Lord Feleran: My 2 cents: you are an active PvP Player so if you plan on doing that pray to not get one of your game stuck by a nasty Firestorm.

    edit: also be careful with the maintenances.
     
  8. Scarponi

    Scarponi Moderator

    I think y'all figured it out while I was asleep, in general you can get the fairy twice a day, and if you sacrifice it one day and play it right you could get three times the next day. Though this will require to leave your game client open for longer and longer as the fairy cycle shifts. However, it's worth noting that there's one specific point a cycle where you can get it three times at the same location while still getting it twice the day location before and the day location after (and we're currently in that specific point, I got it twice at the Lair of the Yellow Dragon, I will get it a 3rd time in about 11 hours at the Wizard's workshop, and I will still be able to get it twice at it's next location :)).
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2014
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  9. Squidy

    Squidy Hydra

    I am sorry but if you are getting the workshop a third time, it means you will have refreshed the client after midnight and before 1AM when the fairy respawn. You can then catch the new fairy, but you can't refresh again for a second time. There is no way to get more then an average of two Flax Fairies a day.
     
  10. Scarponi

    Scarponi Moderator


    The reason that you typically can only get it twice on average is because you get one client refresh between moves, and while you can "hold over" a refresh from one day to get it on a subsequent day, it means losing the refresh between moves on the previous day. However, because one is on a 24 hour clock and the other a 25 hour clock there is a window once a cycle (a cycle being the LF move time going all the way around the clock) that permits two refreshes between a move without a "hold over" that makes you lose it on another day.

    May 8th 2300 LF moved

    May 8th 2310 I got LF at Lair of the Dragon
    May 9th 0001 Refresh client unlock Lair of Dragon
    May 9th 0010 Got LF 2nd time at Lair of Dragon
    May 10th 0000 LF moved
    May 10th 0030 I got the LF at Wizards workshop
    May 10th 0040 Refresh client unlock Wizards Workshop
    May 10th 0050 Got LF 2nd time at Workshop
    May 11th 0001 (Will) refresh client unlock Wizards Workshop again
    May 11th 0010 Will get LF 3rd time at Workshop

    May 11th 0100 LF will move
    May 11th 0200 Will get LF at future location A
    May 12th 0001 Will refresh client to unlock location A
    May 12th 0010 Will get LF 2nd time at location A
    May 12th 0200 LF will move
    May 12th 0300 Will get LF at future location B
    May 13th 0001 Will refresh client to unlock location A
    May 13th 0010 Will get LF 2nd time at location B
    etc.
     
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  11. Squidy

    Squidy Hydra

    But then you are just delaying the issue until your next game/browser crash or game maintenance. I stand on my position.
     
  12. Scarponi

    Scarponi Moderator

    Look closer, I'm not having to carry an active client over past the reset time, that's only needed in a "hold over" situation which I have specifically avoided. As long as I can get on anytime between the LF move and 0000 I can get it the first time, and as long as I can get on anytime between 0000 and the next move I can get the LF the 2nd time. And I don't have to keep my client active in between. If you don't want to look at the data I posted close enough to understand that's fine, but the empirical evidence (and the math) is there.

    EDIT: There was only one time that I had to carry an active client without crash/refresh in the sequence and that was from May 9th 23:59 until the loot fairy was found after it moved one minute later which happened to only take about 30 minutes. Had my flash crashed in that 30 minute window it would not have been possible.
     
  13. Squidy

    Squidy Hydra

    Too bad there is no trade system, I would have been pleased to make a bet.

    I am gonna quote myself:
    I you can't think long term (possibly very long term) let's just say that we agree to disagree.
     
  14. Scarponi

    Scarponi Moderator

    It works long term too - again it's only because one's a 25 hour clock and the other is a 24 hour clock, your assessment would be correct if they were both 24 hour clocks that were just out of phase. If you want, feel free to come back to my post in about 23 days so you can get it 3 times too :D!
     
  15. Scarponi

    Scarponi Moderator

    Here's your long term... still works (and lines up with my long term thinking ;)).
    May 8th 2300 LF moved
    May 8th 2310 I got LF at Lair of the Dragon
    May 9th 0001 Refresh client unlock Lair of Dragon
    May 9th 0010 Got LF 2nd time at Lair of Dragon
    May 10th 0000 LF moved
    May 10th 0030 I got the LF at Wizards workshop
    May 10th 0040 Refresh client unlock Wizards Workshop
    May 10th 0050 Got LF 2nd time at Workshop
    May 11th 0001 (Will) refresh client unlock Wizards Workshop again
    May 11th 0010 Will get LF 3rd time at Workshop

    May 11th 0100 LF will move
    May 11th 0200 Will get LF at future location A
    May 12th 0001 Will refresh client to unlock location A
    May 12th 0010 Will get LF 2nd time at location A
    May 12th 0200 LF will move
    May 12th 0300 Will get LF at future location B
    May 13th 0001 Will refresh client to unlock location A
    May 13th 0010 Will get LF 2nd time at location B
    ...
    ...
    ...
    June 1st 2200 LF moved
    June 1st 2310 I got LF at ...

    June 2nd 0001 Refresh client unlock ...
    June 2nd 0010 Got LF 2nd time at ...
    June 2nd 2300 LF moved
    June 2nd 2310 I got LF at ...
    June 3rd 0001 Refresh client unlock ...
    June 3rd 0010 Got LF 2nd time at ....
    June 4th 0000 LF moved
    June 4th 0030 I got the LF at ...
    June 4th 0040 Refresh client unlock ...
    June 4th 0050 Got LF 2nd time at ...
    June 5th 0001 (Will) refresh client unlock ... again
    June 5th 0010 Will get LF 3rd time at ...

    June 5th 0100 LF will move
    Repeat...
     
  16. Squidy

    Squidy Hydra

    I can see now where the confusion is.
    In your schedule, on May 9th and June 3rd you get only one fairy that makes it up for the two days where you get it three times.

    So if I sum up the conversation, it would be something like this:

    -Squidy: There is no way to get more then an average of two fairies a day.
    -Scarponi: Correct but do note that at some point one will have to repeat the same adventure 3 times in order to keep that ratio due to the 25 hours cycle nature of the fairy.
    -Squidy: True, thanks for pointing that out.

    Let me know if I am wrong.
     
  17. Scarponi

    Scarponi Moderator

    -Scarponi: Your welcome, always happy to help!

    Ha! Good catch! I see the discrepancy now, I was being loose with my terminology and when speaking of "day" what I really meant was per a LF location, where generally you can get it twice per a location, once a cycle you can get it thrice. You on the other hand were in fact identifying that in a 24 hour day it would only be twice on average regardless.

    (I edited my original post on the topic to be more precise with wording. Thanks @Squidy for helping me with that! - Funny that we both knew what we were talking about, but couldn't see what the other was saying, I'm glad you figured it out!)
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2014
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  18. Squidy

    Squidy Hydra

  19. Vholes

    Vholes Thaumaturge

    URRR(R) at the Wizard's Workshop.
     
  20. Kalin

    Kalin Begat G'zok

    Second time at workshop:
    1 U treasure, 1 R treasure, 1 R heavy armor, 1 E helmet, (2 R shield)
    Shimmering Hood
     

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